Spiritual Abuse
Writing by Chad on Thursday, 2 of February , 2006 at 1:54 am
Spiritual Abuse is common in many churches. It is a sad fact but a very very true one. Spiritual abuse is a website dedicate to this subject. It is focused on a particular organization, the UPCI 0r United Pentecostal Church International. I once was a member of this organization. I was hurt along with my wife. I do not blame the UPCI nor it’s members. I do blame one person, me. I allowed it to happen. I submitted myself to the abuse thinking I was winning the battle. In hindsight I was wrong. I had many chances to change the course but chose not to. I did express opposition to the direction of the Pastor but my opposition was not out of rebellion. However, it made my love for Jesus grow stronger. Abuse happens. It is my response to the abuse that matters.
Mat 11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. ~Jesus
Currently I am a member of wonderful church that is not affiliated with any organization.
Now the UPCI is a marvelous organization. I highly respected their stand. I do not respect “lords over the inheritance” it is just as bad as false doctrine. Like Paul, I will withstand a false shephard to their face!
Many people will say the UPCI is an occult becuase of their denial of the trinity. It seems then, they are in great company becuase the apostles were not trinitarian nor was the early church. Read histoy and the encyclopedia. The doctrine of the trinity was developed more than 100 years after the death of the apostles. If you are interested in this please listen to this The Doctrine Of Oneness vs. The Trinity. It is a debate by David K. Bernard and Gene Cook. It is very civil and very polite. The best debate I’ve ever heard.
In summary the UPCI is not an occult. That organization is shining the light of the Glorious Gospel of Grace accross this dark world. They advocate an attitude of selling out to Jesus Christ and not playing with the world. A close friend of mine said, ” I would rather have blood on my sword than on my hands.” A preacher must proclaim the Word of God (sword) and not doing so will result in blood on their hands. The UPCI stands firmly by this concept and they take heat for that.
An interesting page.
Oneness v Trinity
You may ask what does oneness v trinity have to do with spiritual abuse. Well if you listen you will notice one major difference between the two speakers. The oneness speaker is polite nearly to a fault. Oneness people, for the most part, are christians. Christ like. If you’ve been wounded by a oneness believer then rest assured God will takecare of it.
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Comment by John Mason
Made Thursday, 2 of February , 2006 at 9:42 pm
I’m with you on the UPCI deal. We used to be in until last year when my pastor got out of the organization. The Kansas District was one of the last strong holds for true UPC doctrine and holiness standards behind the godly leadership of the Bishop Westburg and then Bro. Dudley. We still have a good fellowship of men that believe the whole council of God that have gotten out but the most (not all) of the UPC’ers are or have sold out. It really is a shame.
Love the quote “I would rather have blood on my sword…” I’ll use that one.
Thanks for the Bernard debate. I love those. Here is a link to some other ones you may or may not have already heard. There are some other good messages on there too. Enjoy!
http://www.goodpreaching.com/media/index.php?q=f&f=%2FDebates
Comment by Me
Made Friday, 3 of February , 2006 at 8:36 pm
I highly doubt anyone has called the UPC occult. Cult, yes, but not occult. Big difference between the two. And even with cult, there are various ways that can be defined. Mainstream church groups consider them a cult due to their teachings on the Godhead and tongues. Others consider them a cult because of the unhealthy atmosphere (as you described about lording) in many of their churches.
Comment by Chad
Made Friday, 3 of February , 2006 at 9:02 pm
I stand corrected, thanks. I had my wires crossed. I understand why people think what they think about lording leaders. Scripture teaches a leader to be a servant and not a “lord”.
I do not understand why they are called a cult for the teachings on the Godhead and tongues. It is exactly what the book of Acts church believed and practiced. If it were not so then I would think Paul, being the great teacher and monotheistic believer he was, would have dedicated a chapter or two on the subject. Mainly to dispell the belief in monotheism and establishing it in a triune God. He didn’t. He did write many things supporting the belief in One God in One person and not One God in three persons. One God but three manifestations.
Thanks for commenting.
Oh and given the definition of cult. I’d say every religious organization known to man was cultic.
Comment by ramblingrose
Made Monday, 6 of February , 2006 at 5:16 am
Chad…
Just found your blog, and I’m going to link you in my Apostolic Pentecostal Saltshaker blogroll, as you seem to fit my two requirements… an active blogger and being AP in the generally understood way (oneness, speaking in tongues etc..). I’m UPCI, but absolutely know what you mean about some being a bit “off” the track (I’ve known quite a few “independents” that had issues as well though… I think the church as a whole needs to return to our roots!).
Anyway… let me know if you want “off”:grin: the AP blogroll.
Blessings!
~RamblingRose
Comment by sam
Made Thursday, 7 of September , 2006 at 7:11 pm
bro i really don’t get why you got out can you please explain please
Comment by Chad
Made Friday, 8 of September , 2006 at 8:24 am
The reason I left the UPC was simple. The Pastor I was under was abusing his authority, his wife was abusing her role, and they said “Where ever you go, we will tell that Pastor about you.” I went to an idependent church for two reasons. 1) Because I didn’t want to seperate Pastors in the area, looking back that shouldn’t have been a consideration. 2) The area was failing in several key areas, like seperation from the world. I needed a Pastor that didn’t fall under the influence of a political union, that stood on the Word of God. I found him and God helped us.
I hope the UPC begins to take action on the crack pots who use “spiritual authority” for personal and selfish gain. That pastor frequently asked the church to buy him new things and acted childish when other Pastor’s got good gifts from their church. Looking back it is funny and so easily descerned. I feel ashamed I didn’t stand up for what was right regardless of being labeled. I know better now…
Comment by usli
Made Tuesday, 24 of October , 2006 at 8:45 pm
i’m too fed up with upci to know what to say or how to say it.
Comment by Caya
Made Wednesday, 8 of November , 2006 at 9:02 pm
I am also thoroughly disgusted with the UPCI. I am ready to leave it altogether. It is not so easy for me, however, as I have searched in every way possible and, to my knowledge, there is not any Independant Apostolic churches with their heads on straight in this area whatsoever. I’m seriously considering just staying at home and listening to old preaching mp3s & sending my tithes to my friend’s church in Florida.
Comment by Chad
Made Thursday, 9 of November , 2006 at 8:17 am
Hi Caya, Let me encourage you. Fight for your faith and for Godliness. The UPCI isn’t the problem. It is the twisted ego of some of its preachers. If you have a problem with a preacher in your church then go to him with a witness. If that doesn’t help then contact the District Presbyter. If that doesn’t help then go to the Superintendent with all the evidence you have, get a signed petition of others that feel the same way. Get something done about it. Don’t bow down to an ego, stand against ungodliness but maintain your integrity.
Please don’t stay home. That is unbiblical. Keep your spirit right and be blameless. It will all work out in the end. I for one, refuse to allow a rotten attitude creep over me. Or allow a liscensed minister run me off from my precious lord. Be meek, and watch God work. He will, you may have to suffer a little more but Jesus is bigger and better than any ungodly person.
Comment by Caya
Made Friday, 10 of November , 2006 at 1:04 pm
Well, I deeply appreciate your words & your thoughts. That was kind of you. However the situation is not exactly like that. This minister did nothing “wrong”. It is a matter of paradigms, and I am not aligning myself with the Purpose-Driven/Emergant church paradigm- but the other UPC churches in this area ARE. (So is the UPC as a whole.) Reasoning with him or the district head would accomplish nothing whatsoever.
I have already told this pastor that I am not returning, and he said he would call me when he got a chance to tell me a few things he had on his mind- but he most definately did NOT encourage me to stay. He wishes me to leave as badly as I want to go.
I do not have a bitter attitude against any of them- but neither can I remain in an unGodly situation, under a hireling shepherd. I will do what I must, until God shows Himself faithful to open the door to a true church.
Comment by Chad
Made Friday, 10 of November , 2006 at 8:47 pm
Emergant and the Church Growth Movement may or may not be the same thing but they both are ‘religious fads’ that call attention to a mindset instead of the mind of Christ. I do agree with you on that. I must say tho, you are the first person that has called attention to the trends in the UPCI. I haven’t sat under a UPC minister in over 3 years so I wouldn;’t know the trends. I have heard others speak about programs that some pastors are pushing that is from the purpose driven church book.
I am starting a work at this time. I belonged to the best church in the US, in my oppinion. Move to West Tennessee and you to can find it. They stand for old fashioned faith, holiness, and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I am trying to bring that kind of congregation to my city now. I hope your search rewards you well, soon. If it were me, I’d find a place to go even if I didn’t agree with everything. You may be able to help someone yourself.
Comment by k3vin
Made Saturday, 11 of November , 2006 at 3:04 am
How is the Church coming along? Its good to see you post! I havent been on for a while!
Call Me
Comment by Jeremy Garner
Made Saturday, 25 of November , 2006 at 5:26 pm
Well, I too have been abused and controlled by dictatorial leadership. Although there were many times the Lord blessed me under that leadership, I know that sometimes God uses flawed ministry simply because He is faithful to His sheep. I now attend Beech Bluff UPC. Pastor Curtis Howard is truly the greatest Pastor I’ve ever had the priveledge to meet. He cares deeply for the congregants in our church and invests much of Himself in developing other ministers. I am a stronger man today because my Pastor has loved me! I do believe that we have some dictactor Pastors in the UPC but, it’s not fair to paint the whole Tn. district with one brush. I think also that in this day and time we have so many saints and ministers who are hung up on such small matters. I think God can use ANY method to grow a church as long as hearts are seeking Him. I believe that the pendulum of religious views swing to both extremes probably in many churches. And because we are so under developed in the love of God, we cannot forbear one another, and allow each other to think for ourselves. We not only need a greater commitment to Christ, but a greater commitment one to another. There is a great difference between unity and uniformity. We will never agree 100% on everything, but our hearts should be bigger than our heads. It’s time to ditch the “meat and drink” issues and let the world know that we are His disciples by our love one for another. Unity in matters of faith, LIBERTY in matters of opinion, LOVE in all things!
Comment by Em
Made Sunday, 18 of February , 2007 at 12:30 am
I live in Colorado and nothing is different here. UPCI is falling apart. They preach all kinds of stuff and you don’t see any of it accept the woman wearing skirts and 1/2 don’t even know why they do it. UPCI is scary to me because most leaders are hatefull and you can see it on how they treat their wives. It’s sickening. I was in it for 15 years and they don’t change. It’s time to change your religion. Follow Christ. These men will send us all to Hell. They have nothing Christ had but hate. I’ve looked to find it but they don’t. They all do everything they preach against. As long as you do it in secret it’s ok. Even the big dogs. Colorado District Sucks. They are leading people in the oposit direction. How can they expect the saints to get it together when they themselfs refuse to. Oh but it’s ok cause it is in secret. I left and it has been hard but I am better, slowly healing. Only God can help me now.
Comment by Chad
Made Sunday, 18 of February , 2007 at 11:20 am
EM. Sorry for your bad experiences. Overall, the UPCI isn’t as bad as you have found. Even the bad experience I had wasn’t with the UPC it was with someone associated. Sometimes bad things happen no matter where or who you are. It’s just life. If I were you, I’d chalk your bad experience up to a life lesson. It happens when we get our eyes off Jesus Christ and on to our own selfish desires.
Comment by abomination-desolation
Made Monday, 26 of March , 2007 at 4:01 pm
Hi brothers and sisiters in the Lord, have never been to a UPC but have had good conversations with many in it, is it true they have 17 million, revivals in China, ethiopia.
What do not understand is why the Lord has not truely blessed the UPC, thought it was the oneness doctrine, but think it must be over disfellowshipping members over rules and commands taught by man, is it easy to get kicked out of a UPC church?
here is a different look at revelations too, sorry for long hyperlink.
http://jesus-survival.com/Revelation-13-Interpreted-beast-666.htm
best regards
mark
Comment by eama
Made Tuesday, 12 of June , 2007 at 10:51 am
It took me about 3-4 weeks to overcome having been in a spiritually abusive situation a while back. My boundaries are stronger now. I won’t move or go to another church without direction from god though. If I can help anyone who feels the church is being spiritually abusiuve, begin with new boundaries. It’s the best place to start, then take it from there and wait on God.
Thank you
Comment by eama
Made Tuesday, 12 of June , 2007 at 11:11 am
of course, putting up new boundaries may not be easy at first. It can even be a lonely experience, but when you push past it, you’ll experience the freedom from another’s control. Nobody has to know you are doing this.
Comment by ra
Made Thursday, 14 of June , 2007 at 2:12 pm
upci is falling apart and it is not because of selfish desires it is because leading people when you should not be thinking you can. Why do you lead when you can’t even follow. Why do upci preachers become preachers. & why do they stay when they know they are hurting people. why can’t they just admit that they are wrong in their teachings.
Comment by Scott Goddard
Made Monday, 25 of June , 2007 at 12:58 am
I too have listened to that debate, and I am true fan of brother David K. Bernard. I am under the ministry of Robert E. Bayer (aka, “The Walking Bible”) and if you’re familiar with his evangelistic ministries in the gospel, you will understand that I am not having dictatorship issues as some of you are. I believe the only way to restore the organization is by gaining more educated preachers, and raising the educational standards for ministers to receive a license. New converts are receiving the greatest gift of mankind, and are often times being subjected to the unreasonable, illogical, and extrabiblical demands of an uneducated, uncultured preacher.
Comment by Chad
Made Monday, 25 of June , 2007 at 5:38 pm
Scott: Thanks for stopping by my blog. I have heard Bro. Bayer preach a few times. Have listened to several of his debates and highly respect his ministry. You are very fortunate to have him. The man is a walking scroll. Just the other day I was thinking of him while listening to “Why I’m Pentecostal”. I hope he is well.
Pros and Cons exist about preachers with education. I’d rather have an ill-educated preacher but knows the Book inside and out than a highly degreed pride filled man spewing tainted truth. I’ve also heard very educated preachers preach with the humility and honesty that become godly men. For me, I agree with T. F. Teney “Get a good education- then get over it.”
I can be considered uncultered or illogical. We are, after all, a peculiar people preaching an illogical gospel that to the world is foolishness, but to those who are saved, the power of God.
Comment by ra
Made Monday, 23 of July , 2007 at 2:59 pm
I just want to know. Why is it that UPCI won’t change what it knows not to be true. Can anyone tell me why they preach what they preach about standards when they know it isn’t in there? I think more people would honestly follow if the leadership admitted that it is a rule for them not for the Lord. I miss them but feel like i’m leading people to Hell when I tell them those lies. What do you think about this? Is it selfish or is it the truth. Who is being selfish. I’m going to a church that is upci in Colorado where they begged me to go just because all of their saints have left to another upci right down the street. Now all of a sudden it is ok with this pastor for me to go how ever I want. Pants and all. It is creepy to me that all of a sudden it is no longer important. The church I left was the same upci. The pastor said stay but he never had the guts to preach it. I’m glad but i felt like he was wishy washy even though he tried to act tough around some saints and then became a wimp with others. As I write I ask my self. Is this bitterness? How did I get this way? Part flesh and part other mans flesh.
Comment by Chad
Made Thursday, 26 of July , 2007 at 9:24 pm
RA. Welcome back. Not to sound mean or anything but you are holding a double standard. You are saying that a license UPC minister should stop preaching standards then you ridicule one that has stopped preaching those standards. I’m not following the logic. Sorry.
The UPCI and a congregation are usually 2 different things. The UPCI is NOT a denomination but an organization of preachers. I say who cares as long as they preach truth.
I’m not sure what you are talking about what they should stop preaching. Holiness is in the Bible. “Standards” are defined by in large as behavioral doctrine. It is like this, if you loved someone and that someone like your pefume you would wear it. Why? To please them. Behavioral “standard” things are actually good if you are doing it from a sincere heart. I’ve heard it said, and I’ve found it to be true, “Live for God easy, and it’s hard. Live for God hard, and it’s easy.” Stop tripping over standards and start reading your Bible and seeking for answers and lining your life up to the Standards that are found therein. After all, why try to do the bottom line basics in loving and living for God? Why not fall in Love with Him and His word and allow that to control what you wear, say, think, eat, believe, and demonstrate.
Comment by Cindie
Made Tuesday, 14 of August , 2007 at 2:37 pm
I would like to know why it is believed that wearing pants can send you to hell. Can it? I’ve been invited to a upci church and I’m scared when I hear all this stuff. Why would anyone be so controlling as to tell people how to dress or anything. I thought it was God that took care of all of that. I read that it is the heart that God looks upon. It said not to worry about how to dress. I’m sure God wants us to not be revealing right? This is news to me. Strange. I would like to visit but should I? Can you give me biblical scripture on all of this. Or some? I just want to make sure I do the right thing. My salvation is very important.
Comment by Chad
Made Tuesday, 14 of August , 2007 at 9:49 pm
Welcome Cindie. Thanks for commenting and asking those questions. If I may comment and try to answer some of your questions. Your questions are in highlight my answers follow them.
I would like to know why it is believed that wearing pants can send you to hell. Can it?
Straight to the point- nice! First scripture never says pants. Its says the following.
Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
It mentions women and men. It mentions garments. It mentions a strong emotion that God has towards it. Ask yourself this. Does God ever change the way he feels towards something he hates? No. This is a principle about separation of the sexes. God wants men to look like men, women to look like women. Do you agree? God hates when we try to confuse the sexes. Now this was written to the people of God. It was written to people whose desire is to please the one they love.
It isn’t a salvation thing but a relationship thing. When you are in love with Him you will bend to His will. My wife and I have a good relationship. I usually stay away from things that she dislikes. If I didn’t then our relationship will suffer and before long it may destroy the marriage. Our relationship with God is very much like that.
Before you think this is only an Old Testament reference you should look at this.
1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
Notice this. He addresses outward things then moves to inward things. Then he moves to use an example of the holy women of old. How many “christians” do you see focusing on the outward at the expense of the inward. I’m not a judge but men can only see the outward. Who are we here to reach and to win? Men and women who only see the outward. If the outward looks just like the world then why would they want something that looks just like them? Scripture calls the believers peculiar, a holy generation. Worldliness is spoken against in the New Testament on many occasions.
Own to the last part of this passage. Holy women of old. Did you know that all the christian churches 70-90 years ago believed in holiness and separation from the world. The women wore dresses and the men wore pants. It didn’t become widely accepted until after World War 2. The people back 100 years ago would look at most churches today as “worldly”. One way would be in how they dress. Yes scripture is old and lots of preachers say today that we can’t preach or teach old customs that they had in those days. I partly agree but why would scripture even speak about those things? It lays a principle. Women should look like women. Men should look like men.
Simple question. How did you know which bathroom to go into as a child? The difference was in the dress of the stick figures. Whats on the inside will manifest on the outside.
I’ve been invited to a upci church and I’m scared when I hear all this stuff. Why would anyone be so controlling as to tell people how to dress or anything.
First of all, men can’t change us. The power of God and His word changes us. If you follow a man only, no matter what he preaches, you are not following God completely. Why would other churches stop preaching principles of scripture? Granted some preachers do try to controlle the lives of the people, in every type of churches you can find this. What is so wrong with a preacher preaching against worldliness and telling people that they should look more like heaven then hollywood. Which would you rather be like? When we are commanded to come out of the world and be separate, give me heavens look. Which is modesty, holiness, in the whole man- outward and inward. Scripture teaches us how to dress. For both sexes. Focus more on how to live a submissive life to Jesus Christ and everything will work out. Just sound advice.
I thought it was God that took care of all of that. I read that it is the heart that God looks upon. It said not to worry about how to dress.
It is God who takes care of telling us what to do. Many times he does it through his word and his ministers. God told Adam and Eve how to dress.
Now concerning the notion. “God looks at the heart.” You are absolutely correct. Man looks at the outward. When you meet someone you want them to see Christ in you, a light shining on a hill. You don’t want them to see Birtney Spears or Paris Hilton do you? Or do you want them to see someone who may be a man or a woman? Scripture does say, God looks on the heart, in one part. (When God told Samuel to anoint David, I think).
Scripture never says not to worry about what we wear or how you dress. It says the opposite. No it isn’t a popular thing to say but neither is preaching about hell or against homosexuality. Popularity doesn’t matter to God. If you can find for me the scripture that speaks about how God don’t really care how we dress then you may have a point.
I’m sure God wants us to not be revealing right? This is news to me. Strange.
You are 100% right. God wants us, male and female to be modest. Not only in attitude but also in dress. What is news to you? I missed that point, it is late and I am tired, so forgive me for asking. We are not commanded to be “normal” people but “strange” to the world.
I would like to visit but should I? Can you give me biblical scripture on all of this. Or some? I just want to make sure I do the right thing. My salvation is very important.
Yes, I think you should. Don’t let anyone who stands on scripture scare you. No matter how hard they preach it, if it is the word of God then do it. Allow the Lord to use you. Dive in and seek EVERYTHING God has for you. Don’t focus on the outward but focus on God’s promise for the inward. He’ll take care of the outward. What church are you thinking of going to? If I may ask.
I hope the above scriptures helps you understand why we believe what we believe. It isn’t a heaven or hell thing up front, it does become one if you want to look and act like the world. The world is, after all, sinking sand and falling apart. Why not live for God and allow him to make you what he wants you to become.
Do the right thing, No matter what, obey the Word of God- no matter who or what is against you. Be a daughter of the highest and see His power use you in many wonderful ways. Salvation is a very precious thing… why not act like He called you out of darkness and into His marvelous light.
Cindie… I hope you’ve read all of this and I hope you understand what I’m saying. I’m here for any further questions no matter how simple or difficult. If you are hungry for answers. My wife is a godly lady if you want to hear her perspective. Thanks for commenting.
Broad is the way that leads to death but narrow is the way that leads to life.
Comment by mark
Made Saturday, 1 of December , 2007 at 6:48 pm
I understood everyone posted their sad experiences.I’ve also experienced that and their using their(Some but majority of the Ministers) authority and using the very sacred pulpit in fighting back the members where they had an argument or misunderstanding. Using the pulpit as a boxing ring makes word of God abused.Some of them were not OPEN for criticism and if it was opposing to their ideas they MARKED YOU AS REBELLIOUS here in the philipines where 500,000 members of upc.If you will compare as to other organization we were left behind .UPC in the philippines founded 50 years ago but as of now based on social ,educational & commnication level in the society they did not contributing they chosed to be traditional.
Actually as much as possible I don’t want to comment negatively to
this organization but I love this org anyway because this org was used by God to know HIM more but the truth is nobody wants to stand or oppose positively to the excessive malpractices of some ministers and policy making of the organization itself.
Comment by mark
Made Saturday, 1 of December , 2007 at 6:53 pm
And their using the word twisting it to justify their motives is there any group or higher authority which we can report this kind of action.If not thank God for this kind of posting where we can share our experiences which should not take as negative but a positive experience to learned and controlled the approaches of the ministers,& the organization as a whole or globally and our social and spiritual relevance in modern day apostolic oneness pentecostal.
Comment by Michelle
Made Thursday, 20 of December , 2007 at 2:04 pm
I left a upci church. Does anyone know what I can do to heal. I am hurting. It is all I have ever knew. I’ve seen many leave. Some end up bad some thrive. I know one girl she left and she is doing so good. She claims to have a relationship with God. I see it. She is kind, giving everything accept she won’t dress like upci people. Is it possible to still love God and not be in upci. I hurt because I never want to go back. I learned while in it that you can’t be saved if you don’t go to upci. Is that true? If not why the lies? If it is then I’m lost. I read my bible. I pray. I learned to fit the mold. All i did was pretend because my dad is a preacher. Where can I go. Who can I talk to. The only one that understands is God. The rest reject me. It hurts.
Comment by Chad
Made Saturday, 22 of December , 2007 at 12:23 pm
Hi Michelle. My wife and I can sympathize with your pain. However, yours is most likely more confusing than ours. I can offer advice from experience.
You must forgive and release the ones that harmed you. It isn’t the upci that hurt you it was people. People are not perfect. People will let you down.
When we left we had to go through a process of healing. We found a church that loved God, it wasn’t a upc church but it believed the same.
You said
I hurt because I never want to go back. I learned while in it that you can’t be saved if you don’t go to upci. Is that true? If not why the lies? If it is then I’m lost.
Being lost is a spiritual condition. The upc can’t save you but Jesus our Lord can. True the upc does preach and teach the proper response to Jesus, Acts 2:38. It is false that you must belong to the upc in order to obey this. If anyone is telling any lies then you must not be around them.
You said
I read my bible. I pray. I learned to fit the mold. All i did was pretend because my dad is a preacher. Where can I go. Who can I talk to. The only one that understands is God. The rest reject me. It hurts.
Stop trying to pretend. It is time to be honest with yourself first and then be honest with God. If your Dad is the cause of your pain then approach him about it. Be honest with him, and be merciful to him. Explain you hurt and your confusion. God does understand but God can’t touch anyone who is pretending or trying to fit a mold. It is time to break the mold and fall in love with Jesus Christ all over again. I hope that doesn’t sound harsh.
Comment here anytime.
Comment by Jina
Made Thursday, 27 of March , 2008 at 3:56 pm
Hi, I stumbled upon this site. I recently left the upci church in colorado to. I agree with RA because that is exactly how I feld when i left. The pastor never told us to not wear pants but he also never told us anything. But also we had preachers leave the church over. One walked out on a wed night because he found one with more money. I wonder why that was ok for him but when the saints leave they thell you you are out of the will of God. That is not ok. I am looking for a church in colorado that i van go to that will accept me for who the Lord made me. I love the lord and i know he love me. He lets me be me. why wont the church. I am marrieda n have a family. my husband tells me that the upci is very false and i have read the Bible over and over and i agree. are you in the upci. cant you talk to your leaders and ask why they are so mean to the people if they are not like them. the women are beutifull but they don’t like you if you dont be cool like with expensive clothes and nice stuffs. It makes me sad becasue no one in upci was real to my family. when we left they dont talk to me or my family. the pastor never even cared that we left. he always said im glad that family or that one left they were a pain. what kind of man of God does that. I knew if he treats others that way one day i wood be next. we were. thats ok becasues were happy today more than ever but i feel bads for people in there lost.
Comment by anthony gore
Made Wednesday, 9 of September , 2009 at 2:31 pm
I grew up in the oneness /UPC faith , while in this oganization, I learned about guilt, hell ,rules and works. I became what the UPC preaches, separate from the world , friends, school mates and some family. I later started to question the basic fondation/doctrine of this group , I found that that are way off the mark with main stream christain faith. I have noted that a lot of people talk about Bernard and his debate , bernard is weak at best . IF you want to see a good debate ,please look at the debate on You-tube with Dr Walter Martin , he smoked the upc guys.
On the question of ,if the UPC is an occult, let me state that loud and clear ,they are. I have a degree in medicine and work in the area of psychiatry. They use every aspect of most occult groups ,guilt ,seperation ,mind control and a total domination of women. They are a very dangerous group.
My Dad was a Oneness minister , thank God I saw the light. The UPC/ONENESS have destroyed numerous lives, they are now falling apart. The church I now attend has stated a ministry to help convert the UPC people, we have now converted 75 people and are working on more. IF ANYONE is thinking about this oganization,run ,run ,run
Comment by Bro Tom
Made Monday, 23 of November , 2009 at 10:15 pm
I currently attend a UPCI church and have had the Holy Spirit some 40 plus years. Over the years I have observed a trend in ministerial leadership. Many times the minister steps out of his God called role as shepherd/example/protector and becomes a “lord over Gods heritage”. Close study of scriptural text will show that many UPCI pastors are out of line with Gods forever settled Word. Paul used the words “DIAKONIS” and “Huperetes” to describe the office of bishop or Pastor….these Greek words mean…..slave,servant, under rower.galley slave. Never one time did Apostle Paul or Jesus intend for Pastors to enrich themselves at the expense of the flock….Paul warned about men that make “merchandise of you”…”gainsayers” “charlatans”…Jesus said to feed the flock not eat the flock…..There is no elite elevated “caste” specially privileged group….we are all in the body of Christ….only one head of tht body…Jesus. And whatever happened to the other four members of the five fold ministry……
Comment by DSA
Made Wednesday, 27 of January , 2010 at 2:20 pm
Amazing how someone like even myself, who is in the UPC for 16 years is looking for alternatives.
More and more folks are feeling the same. Are revival fires dying? Are people being enlightened as they now reconsider?
Will keep looking, as it surely interesting, even after half the group split last year over tv resolution.
Comment by SUSAN SAPP
Made Thursday, 27 of May , 2010 at 8:57 pm
I KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD. THERE WILL COME A DAY,SOON , I BELEIVE WHEN JESUS CHRIST WILL SEPARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF. MANY WILL SAY LORD,LORD AND IN RETURN OUR LORD WILL RESPOND WITH DEPART FROM ME… I NEVER KNEW YOU! THE WORD OF GOD SAYS TOUCH NOT MINE ANOINTED AND DO MY PROPHETS NO HARM! BE ASSURED THAT GOD HIMSELF WILL BRING EVERY DEED INTO ACCOUNT IN HIS TIME! THE CHURCH BELONGS TO HIM AND HIM ALONE, IT IS BLOOD BOUGHT. THE UPCI,HAS MANY WONDERFUL, GOD FEARING PASTORS AND SAINTS THAT HAVE FULLY SOLD OUT TO OUR SOVEREIGN LORD AND SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. MY PASTOR, JAMES M. HOLLAND, UPC, GLENNVILLE,GA., BEING ONE OF THE MANY. I AM SO VERY THANKFUL FOR THE MANY SAINTS THAT HAVE STOOD FOR THIS WONDERFUL GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THE ONE TRUE GOD, BAPTISM IN THE ONLY NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED!!!! GODLINESS, SEPARATION FROM THIS WORLD, AND HOLINESS- WITHOUT WHICH NO MAN SHALL SEE GOD AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, LOVE FOR OUR SAVIOUR AND THE BRETHREN, AND THE LOST AND DYING MUTITUDES OF THIS WORLD OF OURS. GOD WILL JUDGE HIS CHURCH, WE ONLY NEED TO TRUST IN HIM AND STAND FAST IN THE FAITH ONCE DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS. KING DAVID, STOOD FIRM IN HIS BELIEF THAT THE SHEPHERD OF HIS SOUL WOULD DEAL WITH KING SAUL. ALLOW GOD TO BRING INTO ACCOUNT THOSE THAT HAVE THE RULE OVER US. THE JUDGE OF THE WHOLE EARTH WILL JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY, THIS WE CAN BE ASSURED OF! STAND FIRM IN THE FAITH, PRAY,PRAY AND PRAY AGAIN! DON’T ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE APART OF THOSE WHO CAUSE DIVISIONS IN THE CHURCH. GOD HATES THOUGHS WHO SOW DISCORD AMONG THE BRETHREN. OUR LORD IS COMING SOONER THAN WE CAN IMAGINE. GET READY CHURCH! READY OR NOT HERE HE COMES!!!!!!! GOD BLESS THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO PROCLAIM THIS GOSPEL. LOVE IN CHRIST, SUSAN SAPP, GLENNVILLE,GEORGIA FIRST UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH